Hillary's so called "experience."

[khurd77]

It is very telling seeing CNN turning into the Clinton News Network with their spin of Hillary R. Clinton's so called foreign policy experience:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/06/c...index.html


If this isn't spin on her behalf then I don't know what is. The news networks want this to continue so they can get more viewers and more money... what they do not understand is that this undercuts any credibility that they may have gotten over the years on such subjects with people who pay close attention.

I refer everyone to this article which actually QUESTIONS Hillary's so called "experience." Something that everyone says should be happening....but no one from the networks seem to want to hear.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-e...1719.story

[pallas_m]

khurd77 Wrote:It is very telling seeing CNN turning into the Clinton News Network with their spin of Hillary R. Clinton's so called foreign policy experience:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/06/c...index.html


If this isn't spin on her behalf then I don't know what is. The news networks want this to continue so they can get more viewers and more money... what they do not understand is that this undercuts any credibility that they may have gotten over the years on such subjects with people who pay close attention.

I refer everyone to this article which actually QUESTIONS Hillary's so called "experience." Something that everyone says should be happening....but no one from the networks seem to want to hear.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-e...1719.story

I have seen some of this nonsense appearing in the news for the past few days. Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland by talking to the women there?! Lets take this at face value for a minute:

1) Ireland is composed of women and men. Hillary talking to women there during the diplomatic efforts by elected and appointed officials is a classic "first lady" role. Doe not make her a diplomat and is not a presidential action.

2) Ireland is a cakewalk. Can Hillary sit with tough contingents in China/Iran/Russia and iron out an agreement without losing her composure? To NOT talk with these folks and just deploy the worlds most formidable fighting force is the easy route.

She could barely hold it together in a debates with a LIKE MINDED Democrat whose domestic policies were not that different to hers.

At crunch time in 2002, the "Goldwater Girl" got captivated by fear and did the kneejerk deployment vote to Iraq to save the suburbs from the red/orange/yellow terror alerts.

She ain't global by a long stretch.

Obama '08

[Taopoet]

pallas_m Wrote:She could barely hold it together in a debates with a LIKE MINDED Democrat whose domestic policies were not that different to hers.

This says it all to me, and I wish the media were more focused on the decorum and diplomacy she's failed to present with regard to her own party. If she can't have honorable discourse with an opponent who's ostensibly on her side, how can she possibly hope to sit at the table with leaders from the other party and other countries, both with us and against us?

Surely, she's not planning to respond to world leaders with the kind of sarcasm she displayed "behind Obama's back" when she went on and on to her laughing supporters about "oh the skies will open and the light will shine and we'll all be happy la la la"? Doesn't she realize that the world is watching? That we're watching?

And say she beats Obama with the so-called "experience" card. How is she going to spin this against McCain's experience, which outweighs hers by miles of substance and years of service? Is she even thinking that far ahead? How can we have a leader who can't foresee the consequences of so blatant a misstep mere months in the future?

All I can say is that if it comes down to Clinton v McCain, I'm going to have to vote for Clinton, if only to try to protect the Supreme Court from being filled with more neo-cons. But it won't come to that, I'm sure. Obama has captured both our hearts and our minds, and we'll do our part to spread the word. Come January '09, we'll be hearing from President Obama about what the heck we can do to move past the mess that was left behind for him to clean up.

[AAF]

  image001.jpg (Size: 57.19 KB / Downloads: 3)


Obama communications director Robert Gibbs emails reporters with a picture of Clinton and Sheryl Crow from a 1996 trip to Kosovo Bosnia, linking a series of recent articles including this Chicago Tribune piece making the point that Clinton wasn't a central player on foreign policy in her husband's administration.

"Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.

But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to encourage activism among women's groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as "helpful" but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as "ancillary" to the peace process.

The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her."

[khurd77]

Thanks guys for helping with the details...I think we pretty much fleshed this out here on this post but what about the rest of the world?? I am going to work tonight to get the word out.. thanks everyone.

[SDLinda]

Taopoet and Khurd77,

Thoughts on both your remarks: I keep wondering why the voters in the Democratic primaries (notice I didn't say Democratic voters) are so split and why there is so much allegiance to Clinton. I think there is a lot of cynicism among the American public. I'm inclined to think that to many voters, politics as normal is something that can't change. There has to be wheeling and dealing. They would love to be one of the wheeler dealers, but, if they can't, then at least they have the behind the scenes wheeler dealers to blame when things "happen to" them.

So Khurd77, I'm trying to figure out the hook that it will take for you to get the word out. I think the whole Obama campaign would love to find that hook that could give the Clinton supporters hope and the courage. Let me know what you figure out.

[khurd77]

I agree with you linda...I think it is partially because people are very cynical. I just think there is something we can do as individuals.... do you? I mean cant we attempt to bring out the truth? I am so concerned that people will be get this stolen from them... I really dont think Hillary cares about the party or the country as much as herself.

[SDLinda]

I do agree with you in the power of the individual. I am trying to figure out how I can reach some people. I think the first step is trying to understand them. Then try to get them into conversation.

I have tried many times to post comments at Hillary's website that get people to think and discuss. But none of my comments ever get posted. So I'm feeling pretty helpless...but not hopeless.

So when you said before that you were going to work to get the word out, what did you mean?

[khurd77]

Well, it may seem kinda small...but right now I am posting at a comment board about a story that was written on abcnews.com... sometimes you reach people...I did last night.... there are these great conversations going on....once we get past all the BS insulters etc.... and it is up to us as Barack supporters to do that...to set the example....at the same time stand our ground...respectfully...care to try? I will meet you there

[khurd77]

Plus also of course I am active in other "groups"... peaceful, real action (not only internet stuff). And I also talk with all my friends and relatives... but the internet does allow for some great chances at reaching out to people who you would otherwise not have the chance at talking with..